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Brandon Kraft
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by Brandon Kraft on July 23rd, 2012

I don't have the bandwidth currently to take lead, but am interested in helping.

Regarding Lake Park, I can e-mail Jennifer Harvey confirming with her if there are actions we can take to report after-hours usage of the parks. I would assume it would be a 311 issue?

I'll e-mail her tomorrow morning unless someone comments here first with solid info.

(Related - I've been impressed when I've called 311 with an issue how quickly they route me to 911. In my head, lot a grey area where it is important, but not life-threatening and err on the side of not using emergency resources).
 
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schroed
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by schroed on July 24th, 2012

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Regarding Lake Park, I can e-mail Jennifer Harvey confirming with her if there are actions we can take to report after-hours usage of the parks. I would assume it would be a 311 issue?
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Hold on a second there. I for one am glad that they do not carefully enforce the 10pm park curfew rule. I walk the perimeter of the development with my dog virtually every night, and lately it has simply been too hot to get a complete walk in before 10pm. It gets dark late this time of year, and it cools off much later.

I can confirm that lately there is a little more activity in the parks in the 10 o'clock hour, but it is not any worse than it was last summer. And for the most part, the people in the park after hours are people like me, using the parks for what they were designed for.
 
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lee
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by lee on July 24th, 2012

I agree with schroed... We have so few pleasant hours outside in the summer. I have walked over to the park after 10pm I'm sure and I wouldn't want to worry about getting in trouble with the police. I've never really been concerned about anyone else I've seen there after dark. It seems that we have more of a theft problem than anything else.

Let's focus on the neighborhood watch! That would address many concerns. My husband and I would like to take part in that, but I'm not really sure what it entails. Maybe putting something in the newsletter to get more interest?
 
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Brandon Kraft
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by Brandon Kraft on July 24th, 2012

Fair enough.

[For the record, I haven't contacted anyone about anything yet].

In that case, I would think some conversation would need to be had with whatever group of folks can change rules. If 10 p.m. is legitimately too early to close the park, at least during the summer, that should be discussed.

I don't know if the 10 p.m. rule is simply to mirror city parks, a liability issue (if you hurt yourself or something walking around too late, the POA is trying to be off the hook?), a security issue (with the idea of if anyone is there between 10-5 there is a significantly higher probability they may not be using the park for the intended purpose) or safety (by "closing" at 10, they are attempting to discourage use at that time to reduce likelihood of the parks being a target for a mugger or attacker), etc.

I'm not out late enough anymore or in sight of the parks to make an after-hours report, but my two cents are that rules are rules and they are there to serve the community. If the rules aren't serving the community, they need to be re-examined. If they are serving the community, they should be (reasonably) enforced (10:15 p.m. and 12:15 a.m. are very different in terms of concern, in my opinion, for example).

Not reasonably enforcing rules leads to problems when 1) they need to be enforced again or 2) when, knowing rule A isn't enforced, folks start disregarding rule B, etc, then the rules lose effectiveness.

In short, if 10 p.m. isn't working, let's look at that rule and see if there's a way to have an enforceable rule that is still favorable to the park's purpose.
 
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Curtis LaFaitte
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by Curtis LaFaitte on July 24th, 2012

Hello all:
My apologies for having my past posting seem like I was eluding to the fact that anyone in the park after 10PM is committing a crime. I also walk the park, sometimes after 10PM, and enjoy the opportunity to do so. The people whom I am referring to are people who seem up to no good. Perhaps they are just hanging out either in or around their vehicle, smoking & staring. Perhaps their body language that they display is not one reflective of a person there to exercise or enjoy the beauty of the park. They are sitting in their car. Now, why someone feels the need to sit in their car at midnight or later rather than be in the comfort of their own home is a little odd, especially if they seem very nervous. I admit, being social, I sometimes hang at Nomad to socialize. I don't sit in my car in a dark area. Seems like there would an app for that, anyways :-). I just wanted to let the neighborhood kniw what was going on in our neighborhood after 10PM. Evidentally, people are staking out our parks and watching our houses and breaking into them. And just maybe they are parking their vehicles at Lake Park. Hopefully we can address these issues without offending someone on this cite :-)
 
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Curtis LaFaitte
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by Curtis LaFaitte on July 24th, 2012

Hello Brandon. I spoke with Jennifer, some time ago, regarding the proper procedure for reporting anything we see im our hood. The correct response is to call 911. If you need to report anyone doing anything, call 911. Or if you have the phone # of our neighboehood police station, you can call them directly, to discuss specific issues or concerns. Hope this helps. If anyone ever does have a serious comcern or question, they should call the police fir specufic guidelines. So please don't take this posting as The Law. :-). Cheers!
 
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Christina Jones
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by Christina Jones on July 24th, 2012

For the safety of our neighborhood, I agree with those (Brandon, Curtis, etc.) who advocate following the rules regarding park curfew hours and street parking. Also, we should definitely take another look at starting a neighborhood watch program (count me in to volunteer). The security patrol we currently have leaves much to be desired. Does security personnel actually walk through the parks during heavy evening/weekend use when dogs and sometimes even kids frolick with the ducks in the runoff water? Does somebody check the parks after 10 pm?
I would hope that the POA will take up this issue at its next meeting.
 
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Kathy Sokolic
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by Kathy Sokolic on July 24th, 2012

The last talk of a watch group was right after we started moving in, after another attempted break in (2008??). It would be great to see more done by the neighbors to aid the police. Thank you to all who are volunteering to do more!!

Another aspect of a "watch group" is a big part of what we already are in the neighborhood - community. Everything we do as a group makes our neighborhood stronger. Even talking to your neighbors at the mailbox. Keep it up!! The more you know your neighborhood, the more likely you are to notice something out of place and know to report it!

I want to give the police some praise. We are very, very lucky in our neighborhood. We have an incredibly low rate of crime comparatively (Officer Tarver can give the actual numbers) and we have an incredibly high police presence (how many of us know Officer Tarver's name?!?!). That doesn't mean we will never have crime, and it does not take away from the crime we have had (I am incredibly thankful no one has ever been hurt due to the crime in our neighborhood), but taking precautions is always a good idea. At the last POA Let's Talk meeting (as reported in our most recent HOA newsletter), another one of our officers came to speak (you'll see him around the parks in the wee morning hours) and mentioned deterrents - close your blinds at night, turn on your porch lights, and do the best you can to prevent someone from seeing something they might want to take from you (think about the rules for leaving things in your parked car!). The POA meetings are every other month, and they are posted on the events page and are announced by Jennifer Harvey in her email updates. More police activity at Mueller above what we already have could take away from patrols in areas with more "dangerous" crimes (as described by our police officers assigned to the east side). I'm all for feeling safe, but we're never all going to have a police officer outside our doors at all hours of the night. To make up for it, install light motion sensors, close your blinds, and set your alarms. Unfortunately, if someone wants something and is desperate enough, they're going to try to take it regardless of the situation. That's the sad state of the world, and it probably doesn't matter where you live or who you are... (sorry to be Debbie Downer).

Let's continue to work together to grow our community and make Mueller the last place in town someone wants to try to steal something! Thank you again to all who are stepping up for volunteering to make our neighborhood such an amazing place. Banding together will only make us that much stronger.
 
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dmick
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by dmick on July 25th, 2012

Well said, Debbie.

 
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Kathy Sokolic
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by Kathy Sokolic on July 25th, 2012

Ha. Thanks, Doug.
 
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