citiCite
FORUMS PHOTOS GROUPS EVENTS WIKI
CREATE ACCOUNT | LOGIN
Mueller Community (change)
Forums
You are NOT logged in.
RSS

Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
All of the following posts have been contributed by citiCite members.
Viewing 61 to 70 of 148 posts ( First Prev 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Last )
Page Header Image
Forum Navigation

Recent Forum Posts

Upcoming Events
Sorry, but there are no upcoming events.

User Profile Image
ineoeni
Mueller Community

Posts: 103
Joined on May 18th, 2008
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by ineoeni on January 4th, 2013

Hi Neighbors - Aman with the Mueller Megawatt Project here.

I got a letter in the mail from Austin Energy regarding their decision to change the "accumulated solar credit reset date" to the end of their fiscal year (Sep 30) rather than Dec 31 as it was originally designed. This means that any credit homeowners have generated this winter wil help them offset their electricity needs in the spring and summer.

While this solution is not perfect (rolling 12 month expiration of credits would be), it's really, really close. My guess is, 95% of homeowners should be paid back for 100% of their solar production at what is already a pretty generous rate.

Exactly 14 months ago, we celebrated the installation of 1.2 Megawatts of solar in Mueller. This is just another example of how when citizens work together, we can move real change - thanks to everyone who expressed their concern with the rate structure change to the appropriate Austin Energy and City of Austin officials! Go Mueller!

http://www.muellermegawatt.org
 
User Profile Image
John Kingman
Steiner Ranch

Posts: 16
Joined on December 27th, 2012
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by John Kingman on January 4th, 2013

I think I probably got the same letter. It looks like a rolling 12 month expiration to me. You basically will have zero credit every Oct. 1st.

What am I missing?

 
No Image Available
danx11
Mueller Community

Posts: 192
Joined on May 24th, 2009
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by danx11 on January 5th, 2013

Quote:
Hi Neighbors - Aman with the Mueller Megawatt Project here.

http://www.muellermegawatt.org


The Mueller Megawatt Project was a success at our house:

2012
Energy Used 6.17 MWh
Energy Generated 8.62 MWh
Net 2.45 MWh sold

Since system install 7/10/2011:
Energy Used 9.67 MWh
Energy Generated 12.6 MWh
Net 2.94 MWh sold

Now looking forward to potential inprovement from Pecan Street project(s).

MMW-2 anyone??
 
No Image Available
paulsjv
Mueller Community

Posts: 191
Joined on September 5th, 2008
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by paulsjv on January 5th, 2013

I had an interesting conversation with a neighbor recently about the AE's plan to reset the credit.

Boils down to this.

1. The energy we use from our solar system AE charges us for and that INCLUDES the TRANSMISSION charges. Now let me be clear, do you feel like paying all those transmission charges that AE has when the energy is going only a few feet from your roof?

2. Does anyone else feel like if they "reset" our credit that AE is stealing energy from our systems? I know I'd love to "reset" my bill that I owe them once a year but something tells me that won't be a very good idea.

I'm sorry I can't help to think that us solar owners are getting a pretty rotten deal.
 
User Profile Image
langhugh
Mueller Community

Posts: 1149
Joined on August 18th, 2007
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by langhugh on January 5th, 2013

Quote:
I had an interesting conversation with a neighbor recently about the AE's plan to reset the credit.

Boils down to this.

1. The energy we use from our solar system AE charges us for and that INCLUDES the TRANSMISSION charges. Now let me be clear, do you feel like paying all those transmission charges that AE has when the energy is going only a few feet from your roof?

2. Does anyone else feel like if they "reset" our credit that AE is stealing energy from our systems? I know I'd love to "reset" my bill that I owe them once a year but something tells me that won't be a very good idea.

I'm sorry I can't help to think that us solar owners are getting a pretty rotten deal.


Not to be crass, but here are three easy questions that define the counter-argument:

1. Do you enjoy it when the the lights come on at night in your home?
2. Did you enjoy your multi-thousand dollar subsidy?
3. Do you appreciate that, however temporal the current electric pricing construct, we solar owners are now by-and-large cancelling out electric bills? In other words, the solar buyback rate could be lower and remove the credit altogether.
 
No Image Available
paulsjv
Mueller Community

Posts: 191
Joined on September 5th, 2008
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by paulsjv on January 5th, 2013

Not crass good debate.

Yes I have thought about those questions and doesn't AE use tax payer money?

Night I don't mind paying transmission charges to receive AE's product.

I would be more interested in a fair market value for the energy my system produces that goes back onto the grid instead of some kind of scheme.

Just my .02 ;)
 
User Profile Image
Kathy Sokolic
Mueller Community

Posts: 275
Joined on March 19th, 2008
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by Kathy Sokolic on January 6th, 2013

Austin Energy functions solely on the revenue it generates, hence the rate increase. You might be thinking about the fund transfer that goes TO the City, from AE?

http://www.austinenergy.com/about us/company profile/Budget/index.htm

Paying for transmission lines should not be a debate. AE provides consistent service during cloudy days, during rainy days, during the night, and any other time the sun isn't shining. There is a lot of cost to maintain infrastructure.

We get an amazing buy back rate for the energy that goes back into the grid. It's a shame the PUC raised the maximum wholesale price of a megawatt of electricity from $3k to $4,500k. This devalues the buy back rate, but only in extreme cases, like 112 degree days in August. I can explain this in more detail if anyone is interested.

Solar panels should not be installed to make money. They should be installed to help offset your electricity from the grid use, with a financial benefit as an added bonus!! Houses run by the sun!! The pure awesomeness of this should be reason enough to install solar, but that's probably just my opinion...
 
No Image Available
paulsjv
Mueller Community

Posts: 191
Joined on September 5th, 2008
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by paulsjv on January 6th, 2013

Yes we should pay for the transmission of the energy that we consume from the grid. IMO, we shouldn't pay for the transmission of energy from our solar array because there is no transmission using AE's infrastructure.

I know that AE knows how much my solar array produces so it shouldn't be a very difficult thing to calculate and subtract transmission charges for when my system is producing.

Also, you say that "Solar panels should not be installed to make money." I strongly disagree with that. I would love it if people saw it as a way to make money. This would incentivize them to add more solar panels to their system, which is something I thought was a good thing?

Besides the more of something you have the cheaper the price correct? Cheaper energy for everyone is a good goal right? Not just for the lucky few that have solar systems.
 
User Profile Image
John Kingman
Steiner Ranch

Posts: 16
Joined on December 27th, 2012
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by John Kingman on January 6th, 2013

AE seems to be OK with residential solar until it exceeds net zero. It may be a problem of the customer being a consumer some of the time and a supplier some of the time. There are probably accounting and tax issues related to being a supplier.

As far as the solar credit reset goes, if a customer has a substantial credit on Sep. 30th and it gets reset to zero, they may feel cheated. On the other hand, they are essentially net suppliers and as I said AE has apparently not figured out how to deal with this yet.

One would think having solar suppliers available would be a good thing and perhaps AE will find a way to take advantage of them to the benefit of both parties.
 
User Profile Image
ineoeni
Mueller Community

Posts: 103
Joined on May 18th, 2008
Austin Energy Rate Increase re:Solar
by ineoeni on January 7th, 2013

What you are asking for is for for Austin Energy to get away from net metering (widely accepted to be a pro-solar policy). If you want a truly fair rate structure, Austin Energy should only charge us for the electricity we consume, when we consume it, and they should also fully pass through the cost of fuel to the consumer based on the time of day they actually consumes the kWh.

We can keep debating this, but the #1 thing you are forgetting is that Austin Energy is not only paying us a generous rate for the kWh we produce, they AREN'T CHARGING US TRANSMISSION CHARGES to transfer that electricity back to them. This is stunningly generous. What you need to ask yourself is, would you rather pay a transmission charge to AE to send your excess electricity back to the grid, or would you rather ask AE to not charge you transmission charges when you consume electricity you produce on site.

I'm not going to speculate as to whether you'd be better off either way, but I do know it doesn't even remotely matter. To the extent my 2 cents matter, I think AE has done a great job with the rebate program and for the most part, a good job administering and structuring it. I'm tired of getting up in arms when things don't go perfectly and I'm tired of asking AE to do things that we all know are long-term unsustainable for Austin Energy's structure.

While I do agree that is WRONG to say we shouldn't go solar to make money (making money is exactly the same thing as saving money), I do not think it makes sense to ask Austin Energy to pay us so much money that it dis-incentivizes them from wanting to add additional solar capacity because while we did go solar to save money, most of us also went solar because we believe in what it represents and we want it to be successful. That's why I'm not even remotely worried about whether AE charges me transmission charges on electricity I consume onsite and why I'm not worried about them zeroing out my solar account at the end of the fiscal year.

I don't want to come off as being mean, or rude, I'm happy to talk about this in more detail online or in person.

Aman
 
Zen Electronics - Custom Home Theater
A Mueller Resident Owned Business Providing Personalized, Cost Effective, Home Theater & Home Automation solutions in the Austin, TX Area. Click here to learn more.
Weird Window Cleaning
Contact us to receive a free estimate for your window cleaning and experience the same service provided to so many of your Mueller neighbors. Mention this ad for 10% off.
512-944-3700
15 yrs exp. Insured.
Doug Gorton Professional Painting
Interior & Exterior Painting, Fence & Deck Staining, Hand Wash Houses, Screens, & Solar Panels
(512) 799-8384
view more ads »
First Prev 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Last
© 2005 - 2012 cityCore, LLC   |   terms   |   privacy