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roberts_bj
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by roberts_bj on April 9th, 2012

Question folks:

Dealers keep talking about "dealer invoice." But these numbers aren't anywhere near what websites, like Edmunds.com for example, believe the "dealer invoices" are. What's the deal?

Thanks! --Belinda
 
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Audio Video Obsession
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by Audio Video Obsession on April 10th, 2012

The difference is advertising fees. Most Chevy dealers in Texas participate in local and regional advertising programs that are sponsored and paid for by Chevy. Chevy then invoices them back a fee on every vehicle they sell. The fees are legitimate and they are on top of the vehicle invoice. Not every dealership in Texas participates in the programs but every dealership in Austin and the surrounding area does. The rule of thumb on fees above invoice is that if the fee is on the invoice paperwork from the manufacturer it's valid. If added on to paperwork after the sale it's an add on.
 
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by roberts_bj on April 10th, 2012

Thank you, Joe. I read some discussion about advertising fees in an earlier post but I must not have understood the question very well because I didn't realize I was asking about the same thing.

I do have one more question. Since you mentioned the actual dealer invoice (as in the piece of paper), is it safe to assume that I won't be tacky by asking to see it?

Thanks! --Belinda
 
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roberts_bj
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by roberts_bj on April 10th, 2012

Thank you, Joe. I read some discussion about advertising fees in an earlier post but I must not have understood the question very well because I didn't realize I was asking about the same thing.

I do have one more question. Since you mentioned the actual dealer invoice (as in the piece of paper), is it safe to assume that I won't be tacky by asking to see it?

Thanks! --Belinda
 
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roberts_bj
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by roberts_bj on April 10th, 2012

Thank you, Joe. I read some discussion about advertising fees in an earlier post but I must not have understood the question very well because I didn't realize I was asking about the same thing.

I do have one more question. Since you mentioned the actual dealer invoice (as in the piece of paper), is it safe to assume that I won't be tacky by asking to see it?

Thanks! --Belinda
 
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by Dan Murphy on April 12th, 2012

When I worked at a dealership (years ago), the manufacturer would send an "invoice" that was marked up. It was nothing but a fake the dealer could show customers. It was not what the dealer actually paid.

It might have been "manufacturers suggested retail", which was a bogus 15 % markup on everything. The "real" invoices were not shown to customers. Salesman used the fake invoices so customers would feel like they got a "bargain", but it was really not even close to actual dealer cost.

Use a credit union or other service to get a realistic dealer invoice on something. If the dealer pulls out a "Dealer Invoice" that is much higher, you can pretty much bet it's a phony.

As far as the advertising coop plan. We participated in those, but it was generally the dealer advertising and getting a credit on a parts account or other account if the dealer advertisment met the criteria the manufacturer set- Such as mentioning the brand name X number of times in a 15 second commercial slot. .. or X percentage of a print ad being a specific brand or logo.
 
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by motown1124 on June 5th, 2012

Greetings All,

We recently received our Volt, which we ordered through Rafael Lopez at Covert in Bastrop. I had a great experience and based on all the information I've obtained the price was more than fair. If any potential/future buyers would like to learn from our experience or ask any questions feel free to send me a PM. I received so much assistance with my decision that I feel I should pay it forward if possible.

-Phil
 
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Tony Clark
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by Tony Clark on June 6th, 2012

Just seconding Phil's note. We bought from Rafael Lopez about a month ago. Great guy and a good buying experience.

-Tony
 
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by commuter on July 24th, 2012

We also worked with Rafael Lopez at Covert Chevrolet in Bastrop. Have to agree with Phil & Tony about how good Rafael is. He was very professional, but never pushy and took the time to address all of our questions. He got to the point and we didn't have to do a lot of back and forth negotiating like at some of the other dealerships. We were planning to pick up on a Saturday, but didn't know they are closed on Saturdays. So Rafael on his day off took the time to personally deliver it to us. Excellent service and experience so far!

Send a PM if you have questions about our experience with the Volt so far.
 
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John Schlemmer
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by John Schlemmer on July 25th, 2012

Since purchasing our Volt 3 months ago, I have to say that this car has exceeded all my expectations. We haven't yet had to put gas in the tank and likely won't have to for quite some time. How liberating! Most of our commutes around town are emission-free, electric and we have averaged over 200 miles per gallon. Pairing with the solar on the house is the perfect marriage. Thank you Pecan Street for the vision to make this happen.
The Volt has been extremely fun to drive. The direct electric drive makes it much more responsive than any car I've driven. Driving in Sport Mode makes it much faster, quicker, and fun (like a BMW). The limitations for us have been that it is small, and with 2 children it is even more crowded. Some smaller car seats fit better than others. The rear-facing seat for the baby has been the biggest challenge. Any others have experience with this? I love using the electric charging stations around town, especially at Barton Springs and City Hall. Its like having VIP parking, with free fuel. Very convenient.
I am excited to see the data that will come out of Pecan Streets efforts. At Mueller, I truly believe that we are in the center of something amazing that is only in its infancy. If Pecan Street can demonstrate that electric cars work well for 100 families, then they would likely also work for a thousand, ten thousand, a million? Then it becomes a game changer for our country and we can start declaring our energy independence.
I would love to hear more thoughts and comments from electric car owners.

John
 
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