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Jennie Baldwin
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by Jennie Baldwin on August 3rd, 2010

Here's another alternative to speed bumps - not sure how it would fly with a HOA.

City Repair has been installing street murals and other neighborhood friendly art projects in tricky intersections in Portland, Oregon for years. They catch people's attention, are great for community building, and are beautiful too!

http://cityrepair.org/how-to/placemaking/
 
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Jennie Baldwin
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by Jennie Baldwin on August 3rd, 2010

Here's another alternative to speed bumps - not sure how it would fly with a HOA.

City Repair has been installing street murals and other neighborhood friendly art projects in tricky intersections in Portland, Oregon for years. They catch people's attention, are great for community building, and are beautiful too!

http://cityrepair.org/how-to/placemaking/
 
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devinrey
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by devinrey on August 3rd, 2010

This discussion reminded me of an event last week when I actually stopped at a cross-walk to give a pedestrian the right of way. Have you noticed most people ignore these crosswalks entirely. Well, stopping can pose a dilemma when the jerk behind you starts laying on the horn, which is what happened to me. Jerk. I would have felt justified in making him wait for the safety of the pedestrian except this pedestrian just stood there staring at her mobile device ignoring the fact that I had stopped for her. Now I look like the jerk. Oh well.
 
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Brandon Kraft
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by Brandon Kraft on August 3rd, 2010

Yeah -- I've stopped at crosswalks a couple of times to let folks cross, but they seem too shocked that someone stopped to actually cross!

As I was doing it, however, I realized it could be a traffic hazard. I was eastbound on Zach Scott stopping to allow someone to cross that first crosswalk at Tom Miller/Southwest Greenway Trail. If a few folks are trying to turn it, it could back someone up onto Airport.

In either case, the guy shouldn't have laid the horn on you. I grew up near military bases and, at least on the base we were by, if you didn't stop for a peds at the edge of a crosswalk, you could be ticketed. It's not a crazy idea to let someone cross.
 
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Scott Conn
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by Scott Conn on August 3rd, 2010

I too wonder what is going on on Zach Scott. Are there drag races going on? It also happens to be the main exit route leaving the neighborhood for work crews and everyone else, not a playground. Dogs, cats and children should be on leashes, not running free, especially on Zach Scott. I have seen many cars rolling through stop signs onto ZS, some with people chatting away on their phone. Lets make that an issue of community safety too.

There's a nice bit of driver's ed stats to back up the speed limit. 30 mph is perfectly fine, but if there's a danger beyond it simply being a busy street, call the police. I think that the traffic speed device that was out a few weeks ago was a very good idea, a nice reminder that had admonished my own driving. But I'm sure its too expensive to keep on full time. Perhaps there should be speed trap.

The neighborhood exit past the control tower onto Manor is under used. Maybe people can go that way too. Beyond that, it's a busy street. Look both ways.
 
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Scott Conn
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by Scott Conn on August 3rd, 2010

 
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Rod
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by Rod on August 3rd, 2010

As some may not have seen this old post, I re-post it. Not claiming it is entirely germane to this thread, but it is related.

http://www.citicite.com/mueller/index.php?module=Forums&op=posts&NetworkID=&ForumID

So, Bogota (of course, it is a large city, not a little community like Mueller) transformed itself from being dominated by cars, to being more in tune with children, nature, pedestrians, bicyclists, and so on.

-Rod
 
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aliciabeth
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by aliciabeth on August 4th, 2010

"I'll be sure to be on the look out for your bed in the middle of Zach Scott! I didn't know you were sleeping there, I'll be more careful."

Why are you so hostile? The point is that there are HOUSES on Zach Scott. Where people LIVE. There are no houses on 35. Where people live.

And yes, I think you ARE missing something. I live on Zach Scott and am acutely aware of the speed with which many people travel down my street. I also have four children, ages 1 to 9. Just as I wouldn't want someone driving 40mph down my street if I lived on any of the other residential streets in this neighborhood (whether I had kids or not), I don't particularly want people driving 40mph down Zach Scott.

And that's not to say I haven't zoned out and driven too quickly myself. ZS is a natural thoroughfare for the neighborhood. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on speed bumps, cushions, stop signs, traffic circles, etc., but I do care about the safety of my street and neighborhood. I think it's more important to address whatever valid safety/traffic concerns people have than to worry about people being inconvenienced by things that "would really suck." I'd rather people just follow the current limit on ZS, but maybe if there were something to inconvenience you driving faster, you'd find a different route. I don't think I'd mind that.

"I'm sure the people that don't [post] are more people that don't have a problem with the current set up."

I also enjoy how logical and certain you are. I knew there was a reason I stopped reading this board. Grrr.
 
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Jennie Baldwin
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by Jennie Baldwin on August 4th, 2010

Someone way before mentioned that folks should 'teach their children to look both ways before crossing the street.' This is quite obvious and something we all do.

But - even a child doing this with the utmost care and thought has a pretty decent chance of looking the 'wrong' way last, misjudging the distance of an approaching car, moving too quickly into the street to get across in time and possibly tripping ....

In other words, children may not cross the street perfectly and adults have a responsibility to look out for them and adjust their behavior accordingly. Often its a nearby adult, but drivers are just as responsible, especially those driving through a residential area where children abound.

My very careful friend was run over by a car when she was nine. She was riding her bike on the side of a residential street, but skidded on something and fell into the road where an unobservant driver who was going too fast hit her. After leg surgery she was fine, but it could have been otherwise.

No one at Mueller needs to get somewhere so fast that they can't drive slowly enough to stop for anyone who crosses their path.
 
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Grace
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by Grace on August 4th, 2010

Rod - I keep trying to click on your link, but it takes me back to the forum index. Can you try reposting it? Thx.
 
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