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Jessica Lovejoy
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Transportation Issues
by Jessica Lovejoy on July 30th, 2010

Another "Wish they'd thought of it before they built" idea is small single-lane traffic circles at the internal Zach Scott intersections (Mattie, Scales, etc) or that strange junction at Mattie and Simond. My husband's hometown of Spokane, WA put some in on residential streets that had become major cut-thrus and it really worked not only to slow traffic, but actually helped move it along at intersections that started backing up as traffic increased (I'm thinking Zach Scott or Simond and Berkman in five years).
 
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Sean M.
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by Sean M. on July 31st, 2010

I must be missing something, I usually find myself stuck behind people who will not drive 30, so I don't really see what the issue is on Zach Scott. Why does everyone feel like this is their own private street that no one else should drive through. Speeds bumps will just become more of a pain for the residents of mueller. Everyday to get home I'll have to drive over speed humps, that would really suck. What is taking place on Zach Scott that a driver going say 35 or 40 is so dangerous? I don't understand, I feel like people abuse this site to try and get what they want, not everyone in Mueller posts and I'm sure the people that don't are more people that don't have a problem with the current set up. Teach children to look both ways before crossing the street if that is the issue. Otherwise let people get from point A to point B. Why not put speed bumps on I-35,drivers are going way to fast. Just ridiculous in my opinion and I hope nothing comes of all these posts.
 
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misselaine
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by misselaine on July 31st, 2010

Not to do about the Zach Scott speeding, but I did call 311 yesterday because they missed our trash once again. While I was on the line, I made the suggestion that they move the how-to-use-a-roundabout signs closer to the actual roundabout on Mueller Blvd. and Aldrich. I noticed that the stupid sign are 50-100 yds away from the circle, when you get there, people who don't know what to do remain confused, that is if they saw the sign in the first place. All they will see is a little yield sign. In Hyde Park they put the sign at the roundabout and there seems to be less confusion, although people still freak out a little bit. I wonder if they will listen to what I said?
 
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misselaine
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by misselaine on July 31st, 2010

Oh, and Sean, why no speed bumps on I-35? Umm, because people don't LIVE on I-35. That is why.
 
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Sean M.
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by Sean M. on July 31st, 2010

I'll be sure to be on the look out for your bed in the middle of Zach Scott! I didn't know you were sleeping there, I'll be more careful.
 
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MuellerFan
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by MuellerFan on August 1st, 2010

30 mph is more than fast enough for a neighborhood street. I grew up in a suburb where the speed limit was 25 mph, with strict enforcment, and we all survived. In fact, I liked the slower pace, as it allows more time to cross the street, and it is safer to make turns. And, in the event of something happening like a child or pet running into the street, driving the speed limit gives the driver more time to reach a stop and possibly avoid an accident.

Driving a few miles over the speed limit in our neighborhood isn't really going to get a driver to his/her destination significantly sooner, but slowing down will have a large impact on the safety and overall feel of the community. Aggressive drivers feel unfriendly to me, but that's mho.
 
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schroed
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by schroed on August 1st, 2010

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Speeds bumps will just become more of a pain for the residents of mueller. Everyday to get home I'll have to drive over speed humps, that would really suck...


I agree with Sean about speed bumps -- I hate speed bumps! -- but I disagree with everything else he said.

Installing speed bumps to slow down traffic is essentially admitting we have completely run out of ideas for how to train these humans to drive in a responsible manner. They are not safe, as anyone who has hit one by surprise can tell you, they damage your vehicle over time, and they cause you to burn extra gas. Surely someone in this community has a better idea of how to get people to drive the speed limit. And yes, MuellerFan, 30mph is fine for a residential street.

Didn't someone mention a while back a light that flashes red when you're speeding, and yellow if you're not? That would be a great addition to Zach Scott.

Also, regarding the longhorn intersections: while in many circumstances I am a big fan of Longhorns, in this case I think we can do without. Among the other inconveniences mentioned above, the current design makes it difficult to get to our elementary school, Maplewood, a trip that many of us make twice a day, roughly 180 days a year. When they finally get around to adding a light a Zach Scott/Airport, they should eliminate the longhorn nonsense and make Z.S. go straight through.
 
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Kathy Sokolic
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by Kathy Sokolic on August 1st, 2010

I also have to agree that 30mph is adequate for Zach Scott. Due to cars parked on the street, I often have trouble seeing any oncoming traffic while trying just to get ON Zach Scott, and if someone is racing by, the chances of me hitting them is greater...

I also think that due to the proximity of the park, the speed limit is adequate. There are often people running with earphones and might not notice oncoming traffic (another issue entirely), and there are tons of people with pets and kids crossing the street at all hours of the day. I don't understand why people can't take a deep breath and take their time driving through Mueller, a pedestrian-friendly community. That way, when you wave at your neighbor walking along, they'll have time to recognize who's waving at them.
 
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SandJsRoost
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by SandJsRoost on August 1st, 2010

I think 30 MPH on Zach Scott is adequate. But everything changes when you get above 30 MPH. The stopping distance increases the noise level increases. And that's not good no matter what spin you put on it. Anything over 30 MPH becomes a safety issue and a quality of life issue. Way to many pedestrians and bicyclist on Zach Scott. It can also best a test of faith pulling onto Zach Scott from one of the side streets (limited sight distance). And lets not forget about the people who live along Zach Scott.

Why do people seem to speed more on Zach Scott? I think it is because Zach Scott is a long street without any stop signs. People tend to use long straight stretches of roadways that have no traffic control devices as an opportunity to "make up time". I've done it.

I'm also am not a fan of speed bumps,speed humps or any other traffic calming device that required you to apply the brakes every time you cross over or approach them. They rarely have the desire effect. People will only speed between the traffic calming devices.

I'm going to do my part. I will do my very best to never drive above 30 MPH on Zach Scott or any other street in our neighborhood. All I can ask is you do the same. I'll try to "make up time" outside the neighborhood!
 
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Mike Carroll
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by Mike Carroll on August 2nd, 2010

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I must be missing something, I usually find myself stuck behind people who will not drive 30, so I don't really see what the issue is on Zach Scott....What is taking place on Zach Scott that a driver going say 35 or 40 is so dangerous... Just ridiculous in my opinion and I hope nothing comes of all these posts.

Well first off you're in a RESIDENTIAL area with kids, walkers, runners, dogs, bikers, etc. That only should be reason enough to not speed through the neighborhood.

There is zero reason to speed down Zach Scott at 40mph. What will you save? Three or four seconds at the most? It's not about "what is taking place on Zach Scott". It's about general community safety.

The average distance to stop on dry pavement going 30mph is over 43 feet. At 40mph it's 77 feet. Add in the time to react to a potential problem, and splat you have just hit a runner or biker or kid or dog or another car. I would hope that you have PLENTY of liability insurance, because it sounds like you want to make Zach Scott your personal drag strip.

I do however, agree with you that speed bumps would suck. The people in this community shouldn't have to put them up in the first place. We should have ENOUGH sense to NOT SPEED in the first place.

 
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