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Betsy
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by Betsy on July 7th, 2010

Re: traffic light

Well Sean M., I guess like many things there are differences of opinion. I don't really have an opinion on this since I rarely use that intersection, except to enter Mueller. But, people have expressed their difficulty in making a left turn out of Mueller. I don't think the City will install the signal unless it meets 'traffic warrants', a process I am not an expert on but it is supposed to prevent signals from popping up where they are not needed.

I do think there's a possibility that the signal will back traffic up on Zach Scott far enough that it blocks Tom Miller. The City will have to play with the timing a bit to keep that from happening, but as you note, they'll also want to ensure traffic progression on Airport Blvd.

Trucks are also noisiest when they are accelerating from a stop, so the signal may result in some increase in the noise along that side of the neighborhood.

I do think a light there will make it easier for pedestrians and bicyclists to cross Airport Blvd. at this location.

Bottom line, whether for or against, folks probably should call 311 to express their opinions. The design is done so if the City decides it's warranted, then it's probably going in (depending on funding availability).
 
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AnotherPiperDown
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by AnotherPiperDown on July 8th, 2010

I am definitely against a ped bridge for sure at Zach Scott and Airport...

I would like a light there though and at the very least a cross walk with some yellow flashing lights. And if that slows down traffic on airport, that is fine by me... it may even slow it down in some areas all the way to the speed limit, at least while stopping for and going away from the light.

A crosswalk will increase connectivity from our neighborhood to Cherrywood and that also seems like a good thing. Plus there is something about paint on the road that somehow makes me feel a bit safer from traffic... I ride my bike across airport often on my way to work.

Does anybody here think that the left hand turn light off of Manor Rd into Mueller takes an extraordinarily long time? Or is it just me?
 
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AnotherPiperDown
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by AnotherPiperDown on July 8th, 2010

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Robyn
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by Robyn on July 8th, 2010

YES to the left hand turn light onto Berkman into Mueller from Manor taking waaaaay too long...and it's VERY short too.

I actually sent in a complaint about that to the COA several months ago and got an email back saying that they would look at it to determine if it was operating properly.

I think it's a vestige from airport days, but it is mostly just an annoyance now.

I've learned to just avoid it by taking a left onto Airport and then a right on Antone to get into the 'hood. But it's much more direct for me to turn on Berkman.
 
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jham
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by jham on July 8th, 2010

I use Zach Scott as my primary entrance and exit from the neighborhood and would hate to see a light there.

I rarely have a wait that is longer than a light cycle would be there. If you really want to exit with a light there is one just north by the traffic circle and one to the south as well.

Should we really call 311 if we oppose a suggestion others are making?
 
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Kevin McGillicuddy
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by Kevin McGillicuddy on July 8th, 2010

As an alternative to a light at Zach Scott (which I usually use as my entrance and exit into Mueller), was a turn lane similar to what is now at that intersection ever considered for the Antone/Airport intersection? It seems to me that would take some of the pressure off Zach Scott/Airport by providing an alternative exit to go south on Airport and to turn into Mueller from Airport, especially as the neighborhood grows. Granted, it might not do much for pedestrians and bicyclists. This may have been considered and rejected for good reason as part of the original traffic plan, although I do not have the history on that.
 
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smittyhoo
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by smittyhoo on July 8th, 2010

What is old is new again! We had a very similar discussion on this website about a year ago. I was mildly obsessed with redesigning the entrances and exits from Airport then, but I never posted this. I think this is how they should've designed it. As you can see in the pic below, all the entry/exit options that are now consolidated onto Zach Scott have been broken out onto two roads, Zach Scott and Antone. Turning left from Antone onto Airport would be much safer since it's close to 38-1/2. There you have better visibility and that natural break when the light at 38-1/2 turns red. Also, this design removes a lot of the conflicts between cars and pedestrians/bikers crossing. Critique away!




 
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Kevin McGillicuddy
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by Kevin McGillicuddy on July 8th, 2010

Smittyhoo, this is close to what I had in mind. If a left turn onto Airport from Antone were an option, it might not be necessary to have one at Zach Scott, although I'm not sure I'd do away with that because as traffic increases in and out of Mueller, that might be needed. I agree that since Antone is closer to 38 1/2 there would be more dependable breaks in traffic for those wanting to get across Airport either into or out of Mueller. Removing the U-turn options at Zach Scott and Airport also seems like a good idea to me. Your diagram doesn't show what you would do with left turns onto Schieffer from Airport. (?) Also, could you define "longhorn intersection?" I've seen that elsewhere, but am not familiar with the term.
 
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smittyhoo
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by smittyhoo on July 8th, 2010

Thanks. There is currently no left turn onto Scheiffer from Airport so that would stay the same. A longhorn intersection is what we currently have at Zach Scott/Airport. If you look at it from the sky, it looks like a longhorn. Basically it prevents someone from going straight across the intersection.
 
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smittyhoo
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by smittyhoo on July 8th, 2010

Thanks. There is currently no left turn onto Scheiffer from Airport so that would stay the same. A longhorn intersection is what we currently have at Zach Scott/Airport. If you look at it from the sky, it looks like a longhorn. Basically it prevents someone from going straight across the intersection and this design is also what is preventing the left turn onto Scheiffer from Airport.
 
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