This is a little different than the traffic issue but it was a point I wanted to bring up. Numerous times on Zach Scott and other Streets in the community I find people walking by themselves or with others or with dogs etc. in the bike lane or in the road. Why did we build sidewalks on most of the blocks if people are going to just blatantly walk in the street (this happens by the swimming pool as well). I definitely passed 2 people with 2 dogs on Zach Scott and they were sticking out past the bike lane! There is absolutely no excuse for this and I honked as I flew by going 30. I will not be slowing down for someone who chooses to walk in the middle street when there is a perfectly fine sidewalk. Is this done intentionally by people, I don't understand, why would you increase your own personal safety by choice? Its not like you didn't see the sidewalk, and there are a lot of bikers who shouldn't have people walking in their lane.
This is a little different than the traffic issue but it was a point I wanted to bring up. Numerous times on Zach Scott and other Streets in the community I find people walking by themselves or with others or with dogs etc. in the bike lane or in the road. Why did we build sidewalks on most of the blocks if people are going to just blatantly walk in the street (this happens by the swimming pool as well). I definitely passed 2 people with 2 dogs on Zach Scott and they were sticking out past the bike lane! There is absolutely no excuse for this and I honked as I flew by going 30. I will not be slowing down for someone who chooses to walk in the middle street when there is a perfectly fine sidewalk. Is this done intentionally by people, I don't understand, why would you increase your own personal safety by choice? Its not like you didn't see the sidewalk, and there are a lot of bikers who shouldn't have people walking in their lane.
Sean - Because the sidewalks are too narrow for a group to comfortably walk and converse, much less have two groups pass. Throw in a wheelchair or a stroller and low tree branches, and it isn't surprising that folks end up in the street -- at least until traffic dictates moving back to the sidewalk.
Walking in a residential street is not really that risky of a proposition, as long as the pedestrians are alert and walking against traffic (on the left side).
"There is absolutely no excuse for this and I honked as I flew by going 30. I will not be slowing down for someone who chooses to walk in the middle street when there is a perfectly fine sidewalk."
Well, Sean, I hope you don't kill someone because you think your right is greater than theirs. If this is your general attitude (and it seems to be from your other posts), all I can say is that "We can explain it to you, but we can't understand it for you." Cheers.
"There is absolutely no excuse for this and I honked as I flew by going 30. I will not be slowing down for someone who chooses to walk in the middle street when there is a perfectly fine sidewalk."
Well, Sean, I hope you don't kill someone because you think your right is greater than theirs. If this is your general attitude (and it seems to be from your other posts), all I can say is that "We can explain it to you, but we can't understand it for you." Cheers.
Quote: There is absolutely no excuse for this and I honked as I flew by going 30. I will not be slowing down for someone who chooses to walk in the middle street when there is a perfectly fine sidewalk. Is this done intentionally by people, I don't understand, why would you increase your own personal safety by choice? .
I use the sidewalk when I can, but many of the sidewalks are too narrow. A four foot wide (some are five feet wide) sidewalk sounds good on paper, but in reality it is near impossible for two people to walk side by side. I refer to our sidewalks as single tracks.
The occasional handrail juts into the sidewalk. Bushes and flowers have overgrown into the sidewalk. Low hanging tree branches also make using the sidewalks difficult.
I have mentioned this to Catellus to widen the sidewalks in future phases.
Good grief, Sean! I thought you were all about the good of the community versus what a few individuals want (see other posts by Sean), and yet apparently, you want us all to revolve around your right to drive over the speed limit and apparently in a reckless manner! I think you better check YOUR personal agenda on this one. There are many reasons why we don't use the sidewalks, especially with dogs. My dogs don't mix well with others when on leads, so I have to cross over the street or pass in the street. With two dogs, husband and baby, one sidewalk is tough when, as previously mentioned, people's foliage is spilling across the sidewalk ( a tripping and ankle scratching problem) and the tree branches that are not trimmed to a proper height. I, or baby, nearly get blinded on every walk because of this. (This is all another issue that I really wish would get addressed!) So, we sometimes walk on the street.
But, I guess I should wear goggles, all people should cut their shrubberies accordingly, all dogs should be friendly with other dogs while on a lead, all children should always obey parents and never make the mistake of walking into a street, all animals should also abide by this rule even if they somehow escape out of your house on to the road (how dare they escape?).
I remember your comment here: "Maybe you bought a house that is just going to be inconvient to cross airport by foot, there have been worse things."
Welll, maybe you bought a house in a community full of kids and animals that are going to inconvenience your driving habits, there have been worse things.
Oh, and I have often been forced off the sidewalk to let cyclists by, which I do find very annoying. The sidewalk is barely big enough for pedestrians, let along bikes! Please bike on the road or trail, not sidewalk. I actually was run over a few weeks ago by someone not in control of their bike on the sidewalk. Albeit, she was barely moving at the time, but still. I have been wanting to get that off my chest for awhile now! I feel much better now.
I hope that the passionate people on this thread will come to tonight's meeting and help us work toward resolutions. Venting online feels good for a moment, but participating in a face to face meeting can actually impact change for us and better planning for future phases.
Wednesday, August 4th, 6:00 pm at Mueller Central
Beginning in August we will start hosting a monthly gathering focused on community association matters. It will supplement the quarterly Update Meetings with Catellus and the POA in the months that there is not an Update Meeting. Planned for the first Wednesday of every month at 6 pm, this will be a great opportunity to receive timely information, face to face, on POA activities and to bring forward your questions or concerns. The first session will be held on August 4th at 6pm at Mueller Central.
