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Rahm McDaniel
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Some dickhead kicked my puppy
by Rahm McDaniel on January 30th, 2012

Hi Folks,

I'm looking for a puppy kicker. Yesterday, when I was on my way back from a business trip, my 4 month old labrador ran out the front door, and was apparently so intimidating to a man walking around the corner of Gochman and McCloskey with a couple of tiny dogs on tiny leashes that he kicked her, multiple times, even as my wife and a neighbor and daughter were calling the puppy back, because they were worried that the puppy might sniff and lick this man.

If anyone has seen a puppy kicker, please let me know, so that I can apologize with my middle finger.
 
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hectoranddebbie
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Some dickhead kicked my puppy
by hectoranddebbie on January 31st, 2012

Is your puppy okay?

I don't understand how some people, especially those who own dogs themselves, can be so hateful. Some of the things I read here about people's complaints against our dogs border on the ridiculous (like someone putting a bag of dog poop on their neighbor's driveway, since he has a dog, instead of throwing it away in your own trash can????)

It just makes me sad. I hope your four-legged child was not hurt.
 
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Leila
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Some dickhead kicked my puppy
by Leila on January 31st, 2012

I'm not saying it's ok to kick puppies, but I think it is unfair to assume the worst about this guy. Maybe he or his small dogs have been attacked by off-leash dogs before. Maybe his dogs go crazy or try to attack other dogs when approached. I have a dog that does not do well when approached by strange dogs and it creates a difficult situation when some unleashed dog runs up to my leashed dogs to try to keep both my dogs and the other dog from getting tangled up in each other, especially when the owner of the dog is too far away to really help.
 
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Rahm McDaniel
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Somebody kicked my puppy
by Rahm McDaniel on January 31st, 2012

hectoranddebbie, the puppy is fine, thanks for asking.

Leila, I understand and don't disagree. For example, had my other dog (the one in the picture) been involved, I wouldn't have blamed him, because the other dog is intimidating and barks in an agressive way. Also, I freely admit that the puppy ran out of the house and ran up to them.

But I think some basic standard of reason has to apply to things like this: we're talking about a puppy, a puppy that looks like a puppy and clearly is no threat to anything, and all she knows about people at this point in her life is that they are all nice and happy to see her. To your point about his life experience, I have personally been attacked and bitten in the face by somebody else's dog, and it doesn't give me license to go around kicking puppies who want to say hello.

Finally I apologize to this forum for the title of this thread, which is unnecessary, but I was pretty angry about this, and still am.
 
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S. Chiarello
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Somebody kicked my puppy
by S. Chiarello on February 1st, 2012

I'm sorry someone kicked your dog.
But I want to echo what Leila said.

I am intimidated by dogs - from little yippie dogs to big drooling dogs. It is based on personal experience that I don't think I need to share.

In your mind, that puppy just wants to say hello.

In other people's minds who have been attacked - that puppy is another attacker.

I think maybe you could focus on your job as a pet owner to keep your animals on a leash or in the house, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation thread in the first place.

 
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Rahm McDaniel
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Somebody kicked my puppy
by Rahm McDaniel on February 2nd, 2012

It is our job to keep the dogs controlled, you are correct that the situation would not have happened had the puppy not bolted.
That being said, this is a neighborhood, and in the two years that I've lived here I've returned loose dogs more than once, and once returned loose diapered babies who had escaped from their home.

And I can understand your point of view in terms of fear, because I personally have been attacked, but this is all conjecture about why he did it, and even if it was true, bad past experience does not provide sufficient moral cover to abuse a harmless puppy, sorry.

If someone is unable to differentiate a puppy from an actual threat, perhaps they should seek out a solution for that because their perception is broken.

Finally, does it matter why he did it? He didn't just do it once and he did it in front of a kid, and from what I understand he didn't attempt to get away. He didn't try to avoid her, he kicked the puppy until she ran away from him.

I guess when I started this thread, I didn't expect conjecture about the psychological state of the man who abused my children's puppy.
 
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Carrie Stefanelli
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Somebody kicked my puppy
by Carrie Stefanelli on February 2nd, 2012

I completely agree with you Rahm and you stated your points very well. It worries, disgusts and saddens me that there is someone in our hood that could do such a thing.

I already worry, maybe too much, about my indoor/outdoor cats being hit by a car or harmed in some way. Even so, I can't keep them inside, they would be miserable. I have one cat who thinks he's big and bad and will literally sit on our porch, waiting for a dog to walk by, and then he'll run up to it and hiss and bat his paws at the dog. My cat is trying to protect his turf I guess! There have never been any incidents where the dog or my cat has been hurt. Neighbors that I've talked to think it's funny (sometimes he can really intimidate a dog, even the big ones!). But now, I'm worried that if my cat were to intimidate the puppy-kicker's dog, then he might just feel like kicking my cat! I live close to where this incident occurred. I haven't seen the person; hopefully he's found another route! Anyway, maybe it's silly of me to worry - I don't think a cat could do too much harm... but then neither can a puppy. I worry about my cat confronting the "wrong" dog and now I worry about him confronting the wrong owner too. If I saw someone kicking my cat, there is no way I would remain civil that's for sure! Anyway, sorry for the rambling!
 
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momadbar
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Some dickhead kicked my puppy
by momadbar on February 2nd, 2012

Wow, by reading this thread, I'm happy and relieved that your child didn't get kicked in the face, since apparently some folks can't differentiate from fully grown "attackers" and non-attacking baby ones. I am sorry your innocent puppy got attacked by a fully grown person with broken perceptions. Hopefully that experience doesnt harm her long term.



 
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smittyhoo
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Some dickhead kicked my puppy
by smittyhoo on February 2nd, 2012

One cannot reasonably say globally that based on the age or size of a dog a dog is or is not a threat.

As pet owners we need to respect that other people may have had bad experiences and other people's pets may not interact well with our pets. We cannot control what other people or other people's animals do, but we can control what we do and by extension the interactions our animals have with others.
 
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Rahm McDaniel
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Some dickhead kicked my puppy
by Rahm McDaniel on February 2nd, 2012

Which is why nobody has said globally that based on the age or size of a dog a dog is or is not a threat. But what I can tell you with 100% certainty is that this puppy was zero threat to that man in this situation, and that his response was totally unacceptable. Furthermore, contrary to all the projected mitigating emotions, his actions indicate not fear, but anger.

Are you really comparing a puppy approaching an adult human that towers over her to a smallish dog approaching a toddler at approximate eye level? I ask because the latter is an inherently dangerous situation because of how toddlers act and how dogs interpret body language, and the former is not.

Folks, I'm not making a larger point and I'm certainly not trying to restart the Mueller Community Forum Responsible Dog Owner Lecture Series. What I am letting you know about is somebody in our community who was abusive to one of my family pets.
 
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