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ineoeni
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by ineoeni on July 30th, 2011

I was wondering - Is there a reason why the POA / Mueller Residents couldn't set up a small network of IP cameras focused on high traffic streets, some alleyways and construction sites to deter theft?

I know that getting our pots and tables and chairs stolen isn't the biggest deal, but we have had cars get broken into and I can't really think of a good reason why we can't be proactive about deterring people from stealing our stuff. I like my stuff.

I know there are potential privacy issues, but I just wanted to see what other people thought.

Aman

 
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C. Frimire
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by C. Frimire on July 30th, 2011

Aman,

This is a great idea!

Personally, I consider privacy concerns to be for people that have something to hide, and the dirty little secrets of our neighbors shouldn't take precedence over the security of our stuff.

In my opinion,
Charles
 
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Susan Berk
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by Susan Berk on July 30th, 2011

I think that it is a great idea to install security cameras around Mueller. The numerous small theft incidents we have been having is an extreme nuisance and can potentially make our wonderful community a less attractive area to live in. I do not think that the issue of privacy is of essential concern as the cameras, which enables to us to have a perimeter of protection, will be outside our homes. I urge the POA to seriously consider this option as it can be an effective deterrent.
 
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ineoeni
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by ineoeni on July 30th, 2011

Thanks for the responses. I've been wondering about this for a year or so, but finally posted something after a scare in our alley last night when someone's rear door was knocked on repeatedly at 10 PM.

I should have done my research because apparently this has been sort of hashed out on the boards in the past here: http://www.citicite.com/index.php?module=Forums&op=posts&NetworkID=&ForumID=21&TopicID=1198&page=1

Personally, I would love if a neighborhood watch program could deter and eliminate theft in Mueller. We are lucky to have such an active, outdoor community, but we simply don't have enough night owls in the neighborhood to be aware of what's going on at 3 a.m.

While I don't think we need a "neighborhood wide-network of cameras" but it is apparent that some people already have cameras on the outside of their house for their own protection. To the extent these people are willing to share their camera feeds, there should be a central location for the authorities to access that historical data in the case there is a theft in the neighborhood. I personally don't think there should be a public website with these feeds (because there is little security benefit to that unless someone is actively monitoring all the cameras), but this type of database could be integral in catching the people taking our stuff and would then serve as a deterrent.

I know a lot of people probably think this is overkill, but it's important to realize that a lot of this infrastructure is already in place, it's just organizing it. Additionally, adding a camera of your own is incredibly inexpensive these days.

Just my two to three cents,

Aman



 
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dubaydavid
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by dubaydavid on July 31st, 2011

I actually don't think that cameras are an answer and, frankly, am not comfortable with cameras monitored and owned by the POA. A individual homeowner who invests in such a system for their own peace of mind is fine and I have no objection to that. I figure any image they catch of me running late at night won't even ever get looked at again. What I don't want is endless video archived in some central location to be used for a nebulous purpose at some point in the future. And, no, I don't have anything in particular to hide, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give up my right to privacy to an entity (the POA) who can't quite figure out how to make the drinking fountains work most of the time.

An article that I find makes my point better than I can is here:
http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/
It's long, but I think worth a read given the sheer amount of data currently being collected by various governmental and non-governmental organizations. While I'm not prone to conspiracy theories, and actually think the government can competently handle many things, I just don't want them having access to lots of innocuous stuff about me.

I'm all for a more robust neighborhood watch and would be willing to participate. Though, given my late night runs (well after dark), I figure I've thwarted at least a few potential thefts by being noticeable--running in the street--and paying a lot of attention to cars acting oddly. I stop and read license plates, I ask people if I can help if their car window is open, and I follow cars if it seems appropriate. If joining the neighborhood watch means I get a free t-shirt, great!

Lastly, I don't want to off-load my own responsibility as a home owner and neighbor to a camera owned by the POA. If my neighbor's garage is open, I knock on the door (or text) and tell them. If I notice an odd car, I call 311. I check my garage door and don't leave valuable stuff out and visible. I wave at the off-duty police officers and patrol cars. I know my neighbors, their cars, and most of their schedules. I talk to them while we're out and about. While some may find this odd, I suppose, I consider it my responsibility as part of the neighborhood. And I have a brain in my head, unlike the camera, so can decide when something really is odd or when it is what it is. I grew up in a small town where, really, folks don't lock their doors and thefts aren't much of a problem. We can do this because we all pay a bit of neighborly attention and care.

Okay, enough of my theory of security and neighborhood responsibilities. Thanks for listening if you hung around this long and wave at me, say 'Hi' even, if you see me slowly jogging by late at night.
Peace--
Ann
 
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fullmosey
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by fullmosey on July 31st, 2011

If your security needs require cameras please install them for yourself. I don't want to pay the cost through POA fees.

I have nothing to hide but really would not appreciate being watched or recorded on my own property.

If the POA attempted to install cameras viewing our properties there would be quite a fight. I can't imagine they would do it though.

 
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Mary Arnett
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by Mary Arnett on August 1st, 2011

I've had two surveillance cameras, although older technology that was a pain to use - at my place over here in North Shoal Creek. I mainly used them for a local vandal who regularly came to torment me until they moved out.

If anyone in Mueller wants to start a Neighborhood Patrol group, I would think that your neighborhood is a good candidate to make that work.

John Luther of Barton Hills has a really great program over there. We can loan you some signs to get started. John has trained the Zilker Neighborhood, Allandale and Travis Heights neighborhood how to do it. You just need some volunteers to sign up for certain times. His neighborhood has enough retired people that they do it 24 hrs. In fact, they just interrupted a day time burglary the other day as the thieves were putting the goods in a car. Their BOR's are way down due to their visibility.

Neighborhood Watch is good also - and I think you folks already have some watch groups going, if I am not mistaken.

Let me know if anyone would be interested in heading up a patrol or watch group - we have various people who can come out and do the training along w/ APD.

Mary Arnett
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dmick
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by dmick on August 2nd, 2011

I would not favor any system of public surveillance in the neighborhood. A number of significant privacy and financial issues are raised, and for what purpose? We would need to prove that there's a crime problem first, and I don't think the assorted petty thefts warrant what I would call an over-reaction. This seems like a solution in need of a problem.
 
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by Dan Murphy on August 3rd, 2011

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If your security needs require cameras please install them for yourself. I don't want to pay the cost through POA fees.

I have nothing to hide but really would not appreciate being watched or recorded on my own property.

If the POA attempted to install cameras viewing our properties there would be quite a fight. I can't imagine they would do it though.



I agree with this statement. I would be very opposed to camera survellience of my property and my activities in the neighborhood. I am not against it because I have something to hide, but because I value my privacy. Like the above poster, I certainly wouldn't support fees being used in this way.

If someone has a particular concern and wants to intall security in their home, I support that, as you should do what you like with your home.
 
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