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Rob Clinchard
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by Rob Clinchard on March 5th, 2011

Who makes up the landscape committee? Is it a group of Mueller residents? How can a Mueller homeowner join this committee? I would also like to hear from one of the committee members on how this "sign" idea actually came about. It feels to me like a single individual's 3 am brainstorm.
 
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shellrose
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by shellrose on March 5th, 2011

Well, call me a crazy, but I appreciate the signs. They are only going to be up for a couple of weeks, they remind people of the park etiquette - which makes the park a better place for everyone. Many people that use the park are totally unaware that they should scoop poop and keep their dog leashed. I'm sure the landscape committee would love to have involvement from more residents. If fact there are many committees that could use more voices, opinions, sign writers and members.
 
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sloneycho
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by sloneycho on March 5th, 2011

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Also, the APD? Really? I'd rather them look out for the vandals that tagged the east lake park, or those who vandalized or park bathrooms, or for those trolling around our alleys looking to steal things, or catch real criminals.


Nice false choice, misselaine. Increased patrol deters all crime, not just the ones you and I feel merit concern. If it's a city ordinance, APD can and will enforce. If it is in the covenants, we self-police by talking to each other, or reporting to Alliance as a last resort..

Most dogs don't have to be off-leash to be happy. Those that do probably need to live on more than 2500 sq ft lots.

Maybe next spring we can get Christo and Jeanne-Claude to install awareness raising art instead of these ugly signs. Any job worth doing is worth doing well.

-steve
 
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ret1ree00
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by ret1ree00 on March 5th, 2011

I am on the Mueller Landscape Committee. The committee is a group (currently 5 members) Jennifer Harvey, representing Alliance/POA Management, Barbara Austin, representing RVi (Landscape Design), and four residents Bobby Gierish, Janelle Dozier, Mary Piette, and myself.

We would love to have more involvement from residents. It's not a closed committee. Like other POA committees, we serve more as advisors to the POA Board than decision makers. Announcements have been made at previous POA Meetings asking for volunteers- none responded. We even asked known landscape minded neighbors if they would like to join. One did.

In conjunction with education we also discuss and make recommendations to the POA on POA decisions regarding management of the parks, street-scapes etc.. We are not an enforcement group although we do weigh in on some discussions.

Enforcement is the purvey of Alliance who manages the POA Covenants and manages the park maintenance and security.

The issue of dogs in the park has been an ongoing issue since the parks opened. It is not uncommon for Alliance to receive daily complaints regarding dogs in the park. Areas of particular concern are Lake Park, and the Southwest Greenway along Anchor and Manor Roads.

Enforcement of dogs-off- leash is not a priority for our on site security, however they do enforce the COA laws. These are off duty APD officers. They have up until recently only been issuing warnings but that will change.

I for one agree, in general, with much of what has been said on the blog regarding the signs and the behavior of our residents. My observation is that the VAST majority of residents do follow the law and keep their dogs on leash. However, our parks-while not COA parks- do act as public access parks. As such we have visitors that frequently park and let their dogs run. {example: There was one non-resident that routinely parked at Mueller Central and let her three dogs out to run at Lake Park. This individual was cited 3 times over time by warnings and finally issued a citation.}

In the discussions regarding this ongoing problem and as a member of the committee we felt like it was best to make sure everyone knows the law before increased enforcement. My personal viewpoint is to make sure to educate as much as possible first. Perhaps we did overreach in some ways. The POA and Alliance agreed, made the signs and the Landscape Committee placed the signs.

Incidentally we had several families in Lake Park stop and thank us for posting the signs. In the Southwest Greenbelt, we did however have one individual who destroyed a sign and when confronted challenged us to call the police. Which we did. Unfortunately the individual had left with their dog before the security arrived.

The POA Management wants to leave the signs up for a couple of weeks and then ALL signs will removed. However as I understand it enforcement will continue.

I am sure this will not answer everyone's questions. I can only offer my perspective. I suggest if you have additional questions refer them to Jennifer Harvey at Alliance.

Joe Denton
 
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Daniel Colimon
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Pro-leash, anti-poop, signage overkill
by Daniel Colimon on March 5th, 2011

I agree with everyone that the signs are ugly and detract from the aesthetics of the community. However in reading the numerous posts on this site it is also very evident that we have a cat poop, dog poop, trash problem that needs to be addressed.

As poorly executed as the signs were, we need to acknowledge the efforts of the Committee in attempting to bring attention (did they ever) to the problem.

Now that we are all talking about it maybe once all of the vitriolic chest-thumping ends we can put our heads together and come up with realistic solutions.

Daniel

 
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misselaine
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by misselaine on March 5th, 2011

" Nice false choice, misselaine. Increased patrol deters all crime, not just the ones you and I feel merit concern. If it's a city ordinance, APD can and will enforce. If it is in the covenants, we self-police by talking to each other, or reporting to Alliance as a last resort.."

Hey, I am just responding to J. Harvey's response: " APD officers will also be stepping up enforcement over the next few weeks." I assume she means just for the dog enforcement. Perhaps it'll help other issues, but those seem to occur when no one is around and no dogs are being walked....


"Most dogs don't have to be off-leash to be happy. Those that do probably need to live on more than 2500 sq ft lots."

As I mentioned before, some people do let their dogs off leash to play a short game of fetch or a quick romp. I imagine that the complaints that are coming in are people that see a dog off a leash, get offended even though the dog is not affecting them in anyway, and complain. Dogs off leads usually annoy other dogs. I walk my dogs all the time and RARELY (2 -3 times in 2 years) have had an issue with a dog off lead coming up to me and my dogs. If they are not affecting anyone, who cares? (perhaps there are some more serious issues that I do not know about, but we walk our dogs at least 2x a day and rarely, rarely, rarely see a problem. So, do the problems all occur at other times? Possibly, but doubtful).

You are so diplomatic sometimes, Steve ;)

I still think better efforts would be to get people to trim trees and lantana....possibly clean up their weed heaps/gardens...

 
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Rob Clinchard
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by Rob Clinchard on March 5th, 2011

Joe, thanks for providing the backround information .
 
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Noelle Wehrle
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by Noelle Wehrle on March 5th, 2011

I think these signs are juvenile and ridiculous, but I'll try to be constructive. If the bag stations would remain full consistently, that would be a plus. I also feel like the Mattie island needs a trashcan at the VERY least. The volume of residents who take their pets to play/do business warrants a receptacle. I am positive there would be an improvement in the "pick-up" rate.
Additionally: if the same attention were paid to the litter problem at Lake Park, I might not be running past empty Church's Chicken boxes on the sidewalk or OVERFLOWING trashcans, which is more of an eyesore than a pile of poop in the grass. Littering is also ticketable offense.
Lastly, I welcome increased patrols by the APD. If I'm gonna get popped for "poop", then hopefully the police will also be ticketing speeders and shady characters over at the park conducting "business" transactions. Yep, I said it. They weren't there to use the tire swing.
 
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Noelle Wehrle
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by Noelle Wehrle on March 5th, 2011

I think these signs are juvenile and ridiculous, but I'll try to be constructive. If the bag stations would remain full consistently, that would be a plus. I also feel like the Mattie island needs a trashcan at the VERY least. The volume of residents who take their pets to play/do business warrants a receptacle. I am positive there would be an improvement in the "pick-up" rate.
Additionally: if the same attention were paid to the litter problem at Lake Park, I might not be running past empty Church's Chicken boxes on the sidewalk or OVERFLOWING trashcans, which is more of an eyesore than a pile of poop in the grass. Littering is also ticketable offense.
Lastly, I welcome increased patrols by the APD. If I'm gonna get popped for "poop", then hopefully the police will also be ticketing speeders and shady characters over at the park conducting "business" transactions. Yep, I said it. They weren't there to use the tire swing.
 
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Daniel Colimon
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No leash no Park! You must be joking!!!!
by Daniel Colimon on March 5th, 2011

Excellent response!
 
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