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paulsjv
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by paulsjv on May 19th, 2009

Anyone else see what was going on that brought 3 cop cars to the scene of the basketball court? I was doing my yard and looked up and saw the police with guns drawn and people yelling and screaming. Pretty intense. Anyone know what was going on?
 
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Rod
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by Rod on May 19th, 2009

Hi Jay,

We were at the playscape, and so did not see what happened. It would indeed be useful to have a post from folks who were more intimately on the scene. I was busy watching my boy, and so could not readily go and see what was going on, but one of the police cars whipped along Pinckney and turned left and accelerated up Antone extremely quickly.

Dan and Laura might have an idea about how to get a synopsis of what happened from APD also.

-Rod
 
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antithesis
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by antithesis on May 19th, 2009

I heard the noise as well. I live on Hargis (east of the park) and was outside doing yardwork when I heard some really loud screaming. A friend was walking over from Mattie and said she saw 2 cop cars and on officer had his gun drawn yelling at some people in an SUV - telling them to get out. She said the officer handcuffed them and one tried to get up. That's when some of the basketball guys helped the cops subdue them.

What was that all about?

 
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ret1ree00
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by ret1ree00 on May 20th, 2009

We live near the basketball court and missed the commotion. A friend alerted us to the presence of police on the street so I walked down and asked them what happened. By that point, things were under control. There was an SUV parked near the court with all 4 doors and the back open. At least one person was in the back of a squad car. One policeman told me that some kids tried to 'make trouble' with the guys on the court, police were called and then things got a little 'wiggy'. He said at least one person would be arrested and that they had they had the kid(s) in custody. That's all I know.
 
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holla
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by holla on May 20th, 2009

According to my neighbor who was there:
There was a group of guys playing bball and there were three rough looking guys (most likely not from the neighborhood) who wanted to use the hoop. The previous group asked them to wait their turn on the court and one of the three guys punched the "wait your turn" guy in the face. One of the three guys then called his "friends" to come help him with the fight. Cops were called and I saw what looked to be several "friends" driving around the neighborhood looking for trouble... I would venture to say it appeared to be "gang-like activity?"

Fun times.
 
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John Guest
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by John Guest on May 20th, 2009

Sooooo? Are we in Crips or Bloods territory? I want to make sure I wear the right colored bandana.

Sorry about the awkward humor. We need to be vigilant about this kind of nonsense. The recent sad shooting north of Mueller should remind all of us that gangs are a big problem. Let's all be increasingly watchful that our streets not become some gang's territory. It sounds like the police handled this situation quickly and forcefully. We should be prepared to call them again and again if this situation continues.
 
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Rod
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by Rod on May 20th, 2009

Assumption: it is gang activity. Then, I can say the following.

Gangs attempt to establish themselves in neighborhoods to sell drugs. Illicit drugs are of course BIG business in this country and throughout the World. They (gangs) will market where they can establish themselves. There is an economic imperative for them to try to establish themselves in Mueller, and in every neighborhood that they possibly can establish themselves in, for that matter.

And this will continue in this country until the profit is taken out of illicit drugs--which is another discussion thread.

My opinion? The basketball players should bring their baseball bats and stainless steel vacuum wands (more momentum than a wooden or aluminum bat--suggested by a good friend from inner city Philadelphia), and also let APD know when you are playing. And as to any folks who don't look like they belong in Mueller who are "trolling" the streets: call 911 immediately and say that there is someone who obviously doesn't belong who seems to be "scouting out the neighborhood."

Mueller residents should get out as we do, walking, riding bikes, roller blading, greeting neighbors, etc. That activity is an exceptionally strong impediment to gang activity. Hiding indoors on the other hand works in just the wrong direction, needless to say.

I will also alert my builder to this situation, and everyone should do the same with their builders. I will be alerting Standard Pacific Homes. Obviously the builders don't want this going on in Mueller, any more than the residents. People should also be contacting Catellus, and so on, about this situation--in my opinion.

-Rod



 
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Murmur
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by Murmur on May 20th, 2009

This is certainly a disturbing incident. I don't know more than what I've read here, but it doesn't really sound like a "gang-related" incident. It sounds more like an incident involving gangbangers. Seems like some young hoods wanted to play a game of pick up basketball on the Wooten courts. A game was already going on. The hoods got aggressive and the cops were called.

Maybe these kids belong to gangs, but this doesn't really sound like it was related to their being in a gang. Again, maybe there are facts I don't know that will prove me wrong.

Sounds like everyone involved, including APD, responded appropriately. I do agree with everyone who has posted that this neighborhood must remain constantly vigilant about criminals and work on hardening our neighborhood against crime. Awareness is the first step in that process. I'm glad we are having frank discussions on these forums to facilitate it.
 
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Rod
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by Rod on May 20th, 2009

Fully agree with Murmur's remarks.

My post was "with the assumption that it was gang activity". But it might not have been. That is, I was holding up from one angle, with that assumption as a given, and basing my comments on that assumption.

-Rod
 
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missartteacher
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Disturbance at Wooten Park?
by missartteacher on May 20th, 2009

Bloods mainly.

You should probably shy away from bandanas entirely. Not because of anything gang-related, its just kind of a fashion don't.

It would be a good idea at the next meeting to have someone from APD's gang unit come to speak. I am a teacher, and it helps us tremendously when the police come out for our annual "gang workshop" to keep us up on the colors, the signs, the graffiti and all that.

Knowledge is power. Plus it will keep us from calling the cops on kids who aren't doing anything wrong.
 
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