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LeComte
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Randall's at Mueller/Development update?
by LeComte on March 30th, 2010

I don't think it's a question of laziness, rather general safety. While I agree that the HEB at IH-35 is pretty close, it still requires the use of a car because I do not feel comfortable crossing an interstate on my bicycle. In fact, I don't even feel comfortable riding my bicycle to the Randalls on Berkman. I guess I'm a wimp, but I would like to stay alive for a few more years for my wife and child to come.

You make an interesting point about the parking lot at the Mueller Grocer, however I think we're going to have to accept that as a trade-off because the store will not initially move there unless it can service more people (cars) than just those who live at Mueller, for obvious business reasons.

W.r.t. sub-urbanism, I believe the grocer being here detracts from sprawl overall because I will be able to walk/ride my bicycle there in relative safety, freeing my dependence on the auto. Plus the presence of the Mueller grocer will encourage the right kind of growth, in our neighborhood.

So for my part, I'm looking forward to getting one of those small grocery carts and walking to the Mueller grocery store, in due time.

p.s. If we had a rail line to HEB and back, that would be a different story.
 
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by Zekesmom on March 30th, 2010

Just came back from Fiesta because I couldn't face the HEB at Hancock Center, and I have to say, I'm incredibly surprised and impressed. The place was practically empty. They have a relatively large organic food section that carries "Annies" brand kid food and snacks (mac n cheese), lactose free milk (which is a must in our household), a really impressive selection of produce, a HUGE international section with not just the obvious Mexican and South American stuff, but Indian, Middle Eastern, BRITISH, German, Polish, Thai, and some other stuff I didn't recognize. They carry PG Tips which is our brand of English tea. Anyway, if you've never been or had a bad experience at Fiesta, I'd encourage you to give it another try. I was pleasantly surprised.

Meghan



 
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TinyHornet
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by TinyHornet on March 30th, 2010

Yeah, I think the idea was to have a walkable/bikeable grocery store, so that cars need not even be a factor, at least for Muellerites. As a frequent commuter cyclist, I'd say that Airport Boulevard is essentially non-bikeable. Currently, the only other legal way to get to HEB is to take 38 1/2th Street all the way to Red River, which is a long trip, and isn't all that safe.
 
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by sloneycho on March 30th, 2010

If you go to http://maps.google.com http://maps.google.com, and search for "grocery stores in manhattan" or "grocery stores in san francisco", you'll see that people who live in these places are rarely more than a couple blocks from a corner grocer, or more than than a mile from a major grocer.
 
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by danx111 on March 30th, 2010

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Yeah, I think the idea was to have a walkable/bikeable grocery store, so that cars need not even be a factor, at least for Muellerites. As a frequent commuter cyclist, I'd say that Airport Boulevard is essentially non-bikeable. Currently, the only other legal way to get to HEB is to take 38 1/2th Street all the way to Red River, which is a long trip, and isn't all that safe.


Try this: http://ridethecity.com/austin
 
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TinyHornet
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by TinyHornet on March 30th, 2010

Ridethecity.com gives me the route via Zach Scott to Wilshire, then across I-35 to Hancock. The one major downside to this route is the ~400 foot jog down (and across) the feeder of I-35 before turning left under the highway to get to Hancock. I might be willing to try this a few times, but I don't see that as a consistently safe route. The other minor strike is that you can't legally cross Airport boulevard on a bike (or a car, for that matter) at Zach Scott/Schieffer. Crossing Airport legally requires the relatively unsafe maneuver of dismounting and then walking the bike across six lanes of 45-50 mph traffic. Long term, I don't see that as a reliably safe routine.

That said, thanks for pointing me to that website. On the handful of searches I did, it seems to do better than Google's new bicycle route option (but for the minor legal hiccups).


 
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by danx111 on March 30th, 2010

we cross at Aldrich where there is a light and ped xing, down Wilshire, etc. 1.3 miles to HEB
 
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doug
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by doug on March 30th, 2010

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Ridethecity.com gives me the route via Zach Scott to Wilshire, then across I-35 to Hancock. The one major downside to this route is the ~400 foot jog down (and across) the feeder of I-35 before turning left under the highway to get to Hancock. I might be willing to try this a few times, but I don't see that as a consistently safe route. The other minor strike is that you can't legally cross Airport boulevard on a bike (or a car, for that matter) at Zach Scott/Schieffer. Crossing Airport legally requires the relatively unsafe maneuver of dismounting and then walking the bike across six lanes of 45-50 mph traffic. Long term, I don't see that as a reliably safe routine.

That said, thanks for pointing me to that website. On the handful of searches I did, it seems to do better than Google's new bicycle route option (but for the minor legal hiccups).




No need to ride on the I-35 access road. It is legal to ride on the sidewalk there, then cross at the light/crosswalk.

As to crossing Airport, while it is not the best design, it can be done by an able-bodied adult relatively safely and legally (definitely not as safe for children, moms with strollers, and the elderly). As others have pointed out you can ride your bike or walk using the crosswalk at Aldrich/Wilshire. It may take a few minutes for the walk light to come on, but it will.

Depending on the time of day, i actually prefer the crossing at Zach Scott. In my opinion this is an easier and faster crossing, at least heading west. For moms with strollers,children, the elderly and most casual bicyclists, the light/crosswalk at Aldrich is probably safer.

Its not illegal to cross by bike at either of these intersections.

 
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by Ibaad R. on March 30th, 2010

You guys post interesting arguments that I hadn't thoroughly considered before. I can definitely see how Hancock Center is not convenient for moms with strollers and such (to go without a car.)

Fiesta is also a great alternative that doesn't require crossing the highway! I forgot about that. I'm going to check it out based on Meghan's recommendation. 38 1/2 street is great to bike on too!

And while there are grocery stores every couple blocks in New York or San Fransico, they're totally different than the ones we're considering building here. Those are much smaller stores that don't have anywhere near the footprint this one will. It's not a fair comparison. With the same logic, you can look at suburban Houston where there's a grocery store at every intersection.

And Airport Blvd is not that bad. If you go out from Aldrich, you're only on Airport for a short amount of time. The new sidewalk is fantastic as well if you're not comfortable riding on the road. (there's rarely ever any pedestrian traffic, so you're not obstructing, but riding on the road is still safer because cars don't look for cyclists on the sidewalk.) Crossing 35 at a traffic light is not unsafe. You do it just like in a car. You wait for the light to turn green, then you go. All the other lights are red, so you're not likely to get run over or anything.

As more people start riding on Airport, drivers will become aware of the cyclists' presence, and the experience will be safer.
 
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TinyHornet
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by TinyHornet on March 30th, 2010

Fiesta is a great store with a wide-ranging inernational foods selection (one of the only places in the US I've ever seen with Irn Bru, the nectar of the Scottish gods). I've also seen Mexican, Chinese, and Japanese beers there that HEB doesn't carry. It's not always the freshest produce, but neither is HEB.

Still, my feeling is that crossing Airport is an impediment to many would-be cyclists. If Fiesta (or HEB) were on the other side of Mueller, I think we'd see a lot more people riding than we presently do. When Mueller starts to fill in, I think people will want to have the option of safely walking somewhere to get a carton of eggs whenever they need to.

As a minor point, I'd disagree that crossing Airport on a bike is legal (although I did just that this evening, to my near demise). City law says that cyclists are treated like vehicles and are bound to follow the signs and signals that apply to vehicles (COA Ord. ยง12-2-12). If the indicated options are left turn and right turn, I don't think we can legally opt to go straight without the inconvenience of dismounting.
 
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