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M1EK
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by M1EK on July 22nd, 2008

mrs aaron Wrote:

I personally liked this comment:
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People in countries and cities NOT built around the automobile regularly walk one mile or more to get to shops, restaurants and transportation. It is the QUALITY of the walk that is important. A mile in the suburbs is utterly painful. No trees, no shops, often no sidewalks...people probably think you're too poor to afford a car if you try to walk to your local HEB. A mile at Mueller could potentially be a pleasant walk, like walking the row-house-lined streets of NY or SF. And maybe people who live there won't get as fat as us suburbanites. Personally, I think this could be the best thing that ever happens to Austin and I hope we get a chance to buy there. (Although I do agree that the house designs could be much better.)

Posted by:Helena Marriott


I have walked to Dell Children's Medical Center and beyond to the shopping area. when the construction is done, it will be a pleasant walk.


What you're talking about there is the difference between "how often would I walk from our condo in Clarksville to the stuff around Whole Foods at 6th/Lamar" (a mile or so) and "how often did I walk to the Fresh Plus on West Lynn" (a block; but could have been a few blocks and still been good enough).

Basically, a novelty walk - a once in a while deal where the walk is as much the point as the destination is - can be a mile or more long. Frequent errands? Nope; and no, people in countries not built around the automobile most definitely do NOT regularly walk that far to get to all those things. Unless you mean people in non-first-world countries.

(We are 3/4 of a mile away from three major grocery stores at our house now - and that's really too far to walk for groceries, by the way; this is a case where I overestimated how long that walk could be and still be feasible on a frequent basis. We do it once in a very long while, but 99.99% of the time we drive - and this is from a guy who didn't drive to the grocery store for 7 years at one point and very much wanted to continue walking on those trips. Likewise for an impulse trip to a restaurant - we don't do it anywhere near as much as I had thought or hoped we would despite being closer to Guadalupe than many of those houses will be to your Town Center, if it ever gets built).
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by Nor Cal Hal on July 22nd, 2008

Must be tough carrying that cross.
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by mrs aaron on July 22nd, 2008

yes, and i apologized for my part. i cannot apologize for anyone, including aaron.
this is the end of it for me, because you cannot see your part in the problem. those comments did not occur in a vaccuum, they were in response to what you don't realize you are doing. no, you did not say my house was ugly, that was a metaphor for what you have been doing.
if you cannot be constructive, (giving actual advice on how to do what is in our power to do, instead of critcizing and saying you were on a committee once) then please just stop posting here.

and by the way, i interviewed for a job at DCMC. if i get it, i will be walking to work daily.
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by eagertomove on July 22nd, 2008

The poet and the politician, both masters of the language. Maybe Mike does not openly say "Your house is ugly," but the implications about strip malls and tract homes has a lot of meaning to me. Porches are too small, house designs could be better. Get over it. There are really good looking homes being built here. They do not have to be a 1900 Craftsman to be good looking. There are some houses here that have enough porch space to sleep a Walton's family reunion.
Move on.
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by Nor Cal Hal on July 22nd, 2008

Alright, I'm going home, but first I'll stop at the store. Oh, did I mention I don't own a car?
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by M1EK on July 22nd, 2008

mrs aaron Wrote:
yes, and i apologized for my part. i cannot apologize for anyone, including aaron.
this is the end of it for me, because you cannot see your part in the problem.


"I'm sorry, but you deserved it" isn't an apology. I wouldn't accept that from my kid, and I bet you wouldn't from yours.

Even if I HAD said "your house is ugly", and I didn't, it's still not a personal attack; just like how it's not a personal attack when Aaron makes light of $300/square-foot homes in my neighborhood, for instance. You can call my neighborhood ugly if you want - it's not a personal attack. You can call my house obnoxious; you can insult my landscaping. Go right ahead. Still not personal attacks.

And no, calling your homes "tract homes" is not an insult - it's a factual statement grounded in reality, backed up by a definition I provided you. Here it is again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tract_housing.

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Tract housing (also known as cookie-cutter housing) is a style of housing development in which multiple identical or nearly-identical homes are built to create a community. Tract housing may encompass dozens of square miles of areas. Tract housing developments are typically found in North American suburbs that were modeled on the "Levittown" concept.


Personal attacks are directed at a person. There's a big difference. I have never, not even once, attacked any of you personally - not even at times when part of me felt some may have deserved it. The only thing I've asked is that you be realistic about what Mueller is, especially what it is right now, so people aren't misinformed about what new urbanism is - because this is something that I view as so critically important to our future that it can't risk any negative PR.
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by M1EK on July 22nd, 2008

mrs aaron Wrote:
if you cannot be constructive, (giving actual advice on how to do what is in our power to do, instead of critcizing and saying you were on a committee once) then please just stop posting here.


I could just as easily tell you folks to stop posting to austinbloggers if you can't accept constructive feedback on Mueller. Why should it be a one-way street?

From a rational perspective, you obviously can't ask somebody to simply give actual advice on how to fix something which you firmly believe isn't broken in any meaningful way. So, the first step for somebody who DOES think it's broken is to explain exactly how and why it's broken. Which I've done, in non-emotional detail, and been mercilessly and personally attacked for it. You want details on how to fix it? First, you have to agree that it's a problem, or show that it isn't; but nobody's agreed OR refuted - you've been too busy attacking.

But you want some actual advice? Here's some: Start calling city council members and ask what proof there is that the Town Center will ever be built (say, if the current economic difficulties further impact the homebuilders/master planners). Demand that the decisions to build only a trivial amount of VMU closer to the single-family homes be reversed now that gas is 4 bucks a gallon. There's two simple ones for you, without even going into my wheelhouse (Cap Metro).
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by aaron on July 22nd, 2008

Mike, I'm the one posting on Austinbloggers.org, not the others. In fact, I'm sure a few others around here will want me to stop posting on the meta site as well. But, I don't think anything is broken and needs to be fixed. Sure, we need to keep our eyes on things like the POA and the town center, and I can say we are. You may hate/dislike/roundly unamused with our subdivision. We're required by law to have a POA. We have an affordable housing program that may not be perfect, but at least it's trying to help. We now have a neighborhood association that meets regularly, with even a town center committee.

Calling us a New Urbanism Community or a Suburb is completely trivial. I believe Mueller offers something completely different and I frankly quite like it. I haven't had this much fun living in a place since I was in college, and yes, after college I did live in Hyde Park for a while.

Sure I provoked you in my original blog. It was a dig at all the negativity. I'm just saying to give us a chance. It's been nine months into a ten year plan. I know you want us to like Hyde Park or Old West Austin, but those places where set up when the only choices of transportation were, horse, walking, mule drawn street car (I'm not making this up), or one of those big wheeled bicycles. People bought their house from a Sears catalog. Governor Bush hadn't signed the HOA law yet. Minorities were not allowed. Etc. Etc.

I'm still going to post on the blog and metablog. I find myself too completely hilarious not to. I'm completely done with Aaron Moved to Mueller pt 6, unless of course anyone wants to discuss my near riotous graph linking Mueller residential increases to rising gas prices.

Aaron

PS. Mike, anytime you want a personal tour of Mueller, I'm available. I think if I was able to walk around with you and point out stuff, you might ease up a bit.
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by preyn2 on July 22nd, 2008

This whole "new urbanism - no it's not"..."discussion" (for lack of a better term) reminds me of the argument about whether Taco Bell or Baby Acapulco serves Mexican food.

It's irrelevant to me. They both serve food that I like.

I wouldn't recognize "Authentic New Urbanism" if I lived in it. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the residents who will eventually live in the Mueller Community wouldn't recognize "Authentic New Urbanism" either, and they will be living here. They recognize that the neighborhood is convenient to work, entertainment, friends, UT, or wherever it's convenient to for them. Whether it fits the textbook definition of "New Urbanism" is (or will be) completely irrelevant to the vast majority of the people who live (or will live) here.
 
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Re: Aaron Moved to Mueller, pt 6.
by M1EK on July 23rd, 2008

aaron Wrote:
It's been nine months into a ten year plan. I know you want us to like Hyde Park or Old West Austin, but those places where set up when the only choices of transportation were, horse, walking, mule drawn street car (I'm not making this up), or one of those big wheeled bicycles. People bought their house from a Sears catalog. Governor Bush hadn't signed the HOA law yet. Minorities were not allowed. Etc. Etc.


The stated goal of Mueller wasn't to emulate what Hyde Park and Old West Austin were in 1880 or 1890; it was to use their current state as a model. The current state could never have come into being with an oppressive POA; nor with the strict horizontal separation of uses we see so far at Mueller (with multi-family way over there; single-family over here; retail WAY over there...)

Still waiting for you to acknowledge that those statesman comments weren't me.
 
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