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misselaine
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Disappointing parking ticket - too close to hydrant...
by misselaine on January 31st, 2010

My God, I can't stop reading these forums, they are like train wrecks. So many of them, including this one, make me very unsure whether moving to this area was a good idea. I thought that things might be different in a hip, democratic area such as this, but it seems that it is turning the inhabitants into the type that reside in rich, gated, suburban communities, where they have too much time on their hands. Surely there must be better things to do then tattle on neighbors, there just has to be. Sigh.

And I disagree with the last posting about the non-existant rude comments. The tone of some of these postings is definitely rude. Would you actually talk to someone to their face like that? Doubt it. This forum, while helpful in some ways, generally seems to be more deconstructive then constructive.
 
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Leila
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Disappointing parking ticket - too close to hydrant...
by Leila on January 31st, 2010

The thing I find most disappointing about this whole thread is that the person who parked in front of the hydrant does not seem to be accepting any personal responsibility for her (or her boyfriend's) actions, and would rather blame someone else as the reason she got the ticket.
Would you really park in front of a fire hydrant downtown, or anywhere else where you knew police regularly drive by? Just because the police don’t regularly drive down our streets to patrol for parking infractions does not make it ok to park in front of fire hydrants even if it does not personally bother your neighbors.
 
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misselaine
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Disappointing parking ticket - too close to hydrant...
by misselaine on January 31st, 2010

Another thing I hate about these forums is that people don't read the whole thread before responding. For instance, Jillians made it clear that she was not blocking the hydrant, she was just too close. So the comment above mine is moot, but someone will probably respond to her response, also without reading the thread, and the cycle continues.
 
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bonjo
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Disappointing parking ticket - too close to hydrant...
by bonjo on January 31st, 2010

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For instance, Jillians made it clear that she was not blocking the hydrant, she was just too close. So the comment above mine is moot

If she was close enough to get a ticket, she was too close. The law is not just about parking directly in front of the hydrant. So the "comment above" was perfectly valid, although in your mind I'm probably just continuing "the cycle".

And to those who say the person should have gone directly to the neighbor, just do a thought experiment and imagine how well that would go over -- knocking on someone's door and telling them they're parked too close to a hydrant. Yes, they'd be real friends forever after that.

Sometimes things actually are black and white. If you park near enough to a fire hydrant you run the chance of being ticketed, and it has nothing to do with community or neighbors or Mueller or anything like that, it's just a parking ticket like any of a million others. If it bugs you then stop doing what caused you to get it in the first place -- that's why they issue them.
 
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C. Frimire
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by C. Frimire on January 31st, 2010


This conversation is negatively impacting my property value.
 
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roberts_bj
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by roberts_bj on February 1st, 2010

For once I agree with C. Frimire. Potential new neighbors are going to think we are CRAZY around here bickering about parking. No wonder the neighborhoods in big cities I lived in on the east coast didn't have "neighborhood forums." Yikes!

Lesson to all, please use a tape measure when parking on the street. Perhaps we can have official Mueller ones made and distribute them to everyone. Well, just the folks who park on the street. Okay, and the ones who park in their garage but don't really care if others park on the street. But definitely not to the ones who park in their garage and think those parking on the street are breaking the law. (There is a difference between violating a HOA rule and THE LAW, by the way.) Wait, I think those who park in their garage and think those parking on the street are breaking the law need it the most so they can help enforce "the law."

Now doesn't this sound silly. Can we just agree to disagree about parking and stop bickering and being mean spirited? I don't mean to down play the importance of providing enough clearance around a fire hydrant but only the discussions that followed.
 
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roberts_bj
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by roberts_bj on February 1st, 2010

And someone made a good point today on Facebook. So in the spirit of her FB status update, I am going to sign my statement. No anonymous here! Belinda Roberts renting on Camacho, building on Gochman.
 
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C. Frimire
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Disappointing parking ticket - too close to hydrant...
by C. Frimire on February 1st, 2010

I agree with you, Belinda, for once. But don't get used to it.
Sincerely,
Charles Frimire - Living on Antone, Parking on the street and my garage, driving at least once every 3 days to make it legal (or should i saw hoable).

P.S. I already have a tape measure, and while I suspect you were being facetious, I believe it to be an indispensable part of my driving toolkit. In addition to measuring allowable distances to hydrants and curbs, by measuring the space between two parked cars, one can easily calculate the required turning points for successful parallel parking.
 
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Dan Murphy
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Disappointing parking ticket - too close to hydrant...
by Dan Murphy on February 1st, 2010

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Where do I begin?

First of all, it says "citizen complaint" on the ticket. You don't even know if it was a neighbor. Not that it even matters who made the complaint. You break the law, you pay the price. If $35 matters that much to you, do a cost/benefit analysis and don't take that risk by any myriad of ways:

1) Don't drive. If you don't drive, you can't get parking tickets. And to nip the retort to this in the bud, I don't want to hear some excuse about "I have to drive." The neighborhood is accessible by public transportation or bike.
2) Clear out the garage for the 2nd car and put your other stuff somewhere else or get rid of it. By not clearing out the garage and parking illegally on the street, you have implicitly decided to take that risk.
3) Park down the street or around the corner. It's not as if there is a dearth of parking in the neighborhood at large.


I really think that this post comes across as both dismissive and condescending.

1. Not driving is probably not a feasible option for most people. The neighborhood is not readily accessable from all points in the city. I wish I could use public transportation to get to my office, but it's just not an option (yet!- hopefully someday!). More importantly, I feel this suggestion is definitely hyperbole in order to make a point. We all realize that driving includes responsibilities and consequences. I think we can also agree that paying the ticket was the consequence, and the OP has paid their dues, and is now voicing an opinion on that nature of how things are handled. I don't believe there was any suggestion of repealing any codes or laws regarding parking in front of hydrants.

2. Clearing out the garage is a great idea, but for some people, especially multi-car families, it is just not an option. We don't know that is a workable solution in this case.

3. Parking down the street is a reasonable solution. Personally, I think this is probably the best way of handling it... but not everyone is aware that there is a specific range from hydrants you have to be... I didn't know that, I just knew you couldn't block it.

A little understanding goes a long way, and if one of my neighbors knocked on my door to tell me that I was parked close to a hydrant and might get ticketed, I would be thankful to them for saving me a potential fine. These kinds of nitpicking issues are really blown out of proportion when people decide to be contrite instead of diplomatic, and a molehill turns into a mountain.

Personally, I think rather than cause tension amongst neighbors, there should simply be a nice painted curb (like there are most places) so people can be visually aware of where they should not park. Rather than cause tension and strife, why not just try to get something done to prevent this in the first place? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of neighbor bickering.

I think the HOA should have the curbs painted. That's my solution. I would GLADLY chip in for both myself and my neighbors.
 
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mrs aaron
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by mrs aaron on February 1st, 2010

I agree about the painted curbs.
 
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